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Where does a father's name go when the name has no family name? (Abiy Ahmed Ali, Ухнаагийн Хүрэлсүх, Бекмырза Чолпонбай уулу) #1253
Several naming conventions have no inherited family name. The word in the family slot is the father's name (Ethiopia, Mongolia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan), a chain of parents' names (bin/binti, S/O), or nothing at all (Burma). The parser has two places for such a word, the family field and the patronymic view (R9), and today it does each, depending on the shape:
Input
today
Abiy Ahmed Ali
middle Ahmed, family Ali
Ухнаагийн Хүрэлсүх
given Ухнаагийн, family Хүрэлсүх (FAMILY_FIRST reads all 126 Khural members right)
Бекмырза Чолпонбай уулу
family уулу
خالد بن سعد القحطاني
patronymic بن سعد القحطاني, family name included
איתמר בן גביר
patronymic בן גביר, an inherited surname
The shape question: can a convention say "this position is the father's name"? If it can, does that name fill family (where a caller sorting or matching looks for it), only the patronymic view, or both? The answer fixes what each sub-issue is asking for. For most of them, what's left after it is a pack's order or a marker list.
Sub-issues:#1203 (Ethiopia), #1231 (Burma, no family name at all), #1237 (Mongolia), #1187 (Kyrgyz uulu), #1188 (Kazakh -ұлы written joined), #1155 (a family name after a بن chain), #1210 (a בן surname in the view), #1165 (S/O, D/O, W/O).
What settles it: whether family means "the inherited name" or "the name a list sorts by". If it means the second, the patronymic view decides whether the same word appears in both. #1209 (in the ben/bin/בן umbrella) is the other side of #1210's word.
Activity
Abiy Ahmed Aligives middleAhmed;Abiy Ahmedgives familyAhmed) #1203UandDawas titles, and stopSanjoining the family? (Daw Aung San Suu Kyigives given 'Daw', family 'San Suu Kyi') #1231Ухнаагийн Хүрэлсүхgives given 'Ухнаагийн', family 'Хүрэлсүх') #1237Father uuluas the family? (Бекмырза Чолпонбай уулуgives familyуулу) #1187-ұлы/-қызыwritten as one word? (Тилектес Серикбайулы АДАМБЕКОВgives patronymic'') #1188بنchain stay out of the patronymic? (خالد بن سعد القحطانيgives patronymic 'بن سعد القحطاني') #1155בן גבירfill the patronymic view? (איתמר בן גבירgives patronymic 'בן גביר') #1210S/O,D/OandW/Omark the parent's or husband's name, asbindoes? (Ravi Kumar S/O Mohan Lalgives middle 'Kumar S/O Mohan') #1165