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Should a Hebrew surname like בן גביר fill the patronymic view? (איתמר בן גביר gives patronymic 'בן גביר') #1210
R9 (the patronymic view) reads a particle the vocabulary marks patronymic as naming a parent. he.toml marks בן that way, so every modern Israeli surname written בן X with a space fills the view, though it names no parent (measured on master 5f22996):
Input
given
family
patronymic
איתמר בן גביר
איתמר
בן גביר
בן גביר
דוד בן גוריון
דוד
בן גוריון
בן גוריון
דוד בן-גוריון
דוד
בן-גוריון
''
מוחמד בן סלמאן אל סעוד
מוחמד
בן סלמאן אל סעוד
בן סלמאן אל סעוד
Measured (2026-11-08):
The Knesset's person table (1,236 people): all 10 family names written בן X with a space fill the view; none is a patronymic.
Wikidata, Israeli citizens with a family name item labelled בן X: all 126 written with a space fill it.
JRC-Names, Hebrew spellings: of 15 names with בן inside them, about 10 are Arab names transcribed from news text (מוחמד בן סלמאן), where the word does name the father.
So in Hebrew script the word is a surname particle in Israeli names and a patronymic in Arab ones written in Hebrew, and the script cannot tell them apart. The family reading is right in both; only the view differs.
Proposal
Read בן and בת in Hebrew script as a family-name particle (kind = "particle") rather than a patronymic. Lexicon.default().remove("בן", kind="patronymic").add("בן", kind="particle") keeps every family reading above and empties the view in all four rows. A caller reading Arab names in Hebrew script adds the patronymic reading back.
Questions
Is an empty view on a transcribed Arab name an acceptable cost? The view is the one thing that changes; the roles stay.
Activity
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