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Should a Burmese choice read U and Daw as titles, and stop San joining the family? (Daw Aung San Suu Kyi gives given 'Daw', family 'San Suu Kyi') #1231

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Burmese names have no family name. Every word is a given name, and an honorific goes in front: U (Mr.), Daw (Mrs.), Ko, Ma, Maung. Read by position, the last word should be the family and the honorific the title, as in the Indonesia round (#1205, #1206). Two things get in the way (measured on ccaf6ad):

Input title given middle family
U Thein Sein '' U Thein Sein
Daw Aung San Suu Kyi '' Daw Aung San Suu Kyi
Aung San Win '' Aung '' San Win
Akyaung La Aung '' Akyaung '' La Aung
Henry Van Thio '' Henry '' Van Thio
AUNG, Saw San '' Saw '' San AUNG
  1. The honorific reads as the given name. u and daw have no reading.
  2. Burmese syllables that are particles elsewhere pull the rest of the name into the family (P2, particles join forward): Spanish and Italian san, la, do, da, du, te, le, Dutch van (Chin names write Van as a name syllable).

Measured (2026-11-08) on OpenSanctions' sanctions and PEP collections filtered to people with Myanmar among their countries (632 names, 440 aliases), plus Wikidata's English labels for people with Myanmar citizenship and a Burmese label: 2,989 distinct Latin names.

  • Names opening with an honorific: U 70, Daw 25, Maung 48, Ko 15, Ma 14. Names opening with an ethnic prefix: Saw 70 (Karen), Sai 94 (Shan), Nang 12, Naw 13, Nan 20, Khun 25, Mahn 9, Nai 7, Salai 4.
  • A particle syllable inside the name pulls the rest into the family in 53 names: san 37, la 7, te, da and van 2 each, do, le and du 1 each. Two more lose San after a comma (AUNG, Saw San → family 'San AUNG'). Another 39 open with one of these syllables; those read given and report particle-or-given.

The cost

None of this can be a default. U is a Korean surname (122 South Koreans on Wikidata with U as family name) and an initial (U. S. Grant). Daw has 2,670 bearers in the 2010 US Census. San, La, Van and the rest are real particles in Spanish, Italian, Filipino and Dutch surnames.

Simulated as a caller's lexicon: Lexicon.default().remove("san", "la", "le", "do", "da", "du", "te", "van", "di", kind="particle").add("u", kind="salutation").add("daw", kind="salutation"). 164 of the 2,989 names move, every one toward the reading above:

Input title given middle family
Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Daw Aung San Suu Kyi
U Thein Sein U Thein '' Sein
U Thant U '' '' Thant
U. S. Grant U. S. '' Grant

Two rows need an answer. In U Thant, a title and one name word read the word as the family (H1, a title and one name word), where a Burmese name has none. In U. S. Grant, the one-letter title catches a dotted initial, the shape #1205 raises for H. under an Indonesian choice.

Proposal

When: the parse is under a choice of my.

Then:

Because: the caller's choice says the names are Burmese, where none of these syllables is a particle and the honorific is never a name. VI is the precedent for a pack that removes readings.

"U Thein Sein"            →  title="U", given="Thein", family="Sein"
"Daw Aung San Suu Kyi"    →  title="Daw", given="Aung", middle="San Suu", family="Kyi"

Questions

  • A pack (locales.MY) like VI, or a my.toml choice alone? The removals need a pack fragment; a file can't remove a reading another file gives.
  • Ko, Ma and Maung are honorifics, but also name syllables (Ko Ko Lwin, Maung Maung Kyaw). Should they stay name words? The same goes for the ethnic prefixes Saw, Sai, Nang, Naw, Khun, Mahn, which are usually treated as part of the name.
  • Should U need the absence of a period, so that U. stays an initial even under the choice (Should an Indonesian choice read H. (Haji) and R. (Raden) as titles? (H. Ganjar Pranowo gives given 'H.') #1205 asks the same)?
  • With a title in front, should a lone name word read as the given name under this choice (U Thant → given 'Thant')? Policy.lone_name_word (O5) covers a name of one word only.
  • Should the military and religious styles go in too (Bogyoke, Thura, Thakin, Sayadaw, Ashin)? Each read as the given name, 4 or fewer apiece.

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