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Should Hebrew-script אבו and אל read as the Arabic particles they spell? (סמי אבו שחאדה gives middle 'אבו', family 'שחאדה') #1211

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Arab citizens of Israel write their names in Hebrew script with the Arabic particles spelled out, אבו (Abu) and אל (al-). Neither is in the vocabulary in Hebrew script, so a surname opening with one loses it to the middle name, where the Latin spelling reads whole (measured on master 5f22996):

Input given middle family
סמי אבו שחאדה סמי אבו שחאדה
Sami Abu Shahadeh Sami '' Abu Shahadeh
איברהים אל טורי איברהים אל טורי
מוחמד אבו אל היג'א מוחמד אבו אל היג'א
עבד אל כרים מסרי עבד אל כרים מסרי

Measured (2026-11-08):

  • The Knesset's person table (1,236 people): 7 family names opening with אבו or אל read wrong (כמיל אבו רוקן, ניבין אבו רחמון, טלב אבו עראר, ...).
  • Giving the two words the readings their Latin and Arabic spellings have (אבו: given, teknonymic, bound_given; אל: given, article) moves 9 Knesset names: the 7 read right, and the 2 whose given name is עבד אל X go wrong a different way (עבד אל כרים מסרי gives family 'אל כרים מסרי', where today the family is right).
  • JRC-Names, Hebrew spellings: the same readings move 33 names, about 25 better (בשאר אל אסד gives family 'אל אסד', אבו מוסאב אל זארקאווי given 'אבו מוסאב') and about 8 worse. Four of the worse are עבד אל X (עבד אל עזיז בוטפליקה gives family 'אל עזיז בוטפליקה'), and the rest are given names built on אל (סיף אל אסלאם קדאפי gives family 'אל אסלאם קדאפי').
  • The article also ends a בן chain at the family name: מוחמד בן סלמאן אל סעוד reads middle 'בן סלמאן', family 'אל סעוד', the reading Should a family name after a بن chain stay out of the patronymic? (خالد بن سعد القحطاني gives patronymic 'بن سعد القحطاني') #1155 asks for in Arabic script.

The עבד אל X cost is the Latin one too: ar.toml's note on abd says Abd al-Rahman Smith misreads, and P12 (bound phrases) joins عبد to the names of God in Arabic script only. אל is also the English given name Al written in Hebrew (אל גור, given 'אל' today, given 'אל' with PARTICLE_OR_GIVEN with the reading).

Proposal

List אבו with the readings of abu and أبو, and אל with those of al, in he.toml with a note that they are Arabic spelled in Hebrew script. If עבד אל X is to stay right, give the Hebrew-script עבד P12's completed_by for the same names (עבד אל כרים, עבד אל עזיז, עבד אללה), in the same change.

Questions

  • Which file holds them: he.toml, since the script is Hebrew, or ar.toml, since the words are Arabic? The choice decides which language choice turns them on.
  • Is אבו alone worth shipping first? It moves the 6 Knesset אבו surnames and none of the עבד אל names; אל carries all the cost.

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