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Should Hebrew בן opening a name be the given name Ben? (בן כספית gives family 'בן כספית' and no given name) #1209

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he.toml lists בן as a patronymic particle that is never a given name ("not a standalone given name in Hebrew usage"), so P1 (the never-given particle fold) makes a leading בן start the family. In Israeli usage a leading בן is mostly the given name Ben, which the Latin spelling already reads (measured on master 5f22996):

Input given middle family patronymic
בן כספית '' '' בן כספית בן כספית
בן אפלק '' '' בן אפלק בן אפלק
כספית, בן '' '' כספית בן ''
Ben Caspit Ben '' Caspit ''
בת שבע כהן '' '' בת שבע כהן בת שבע כהן
בת-שבע כהן בת-שבע '' כהן ''

Measured (2026-11-08):

  • Wikidata, Israeli citizens (P27 Q801) with the given name Ben (Q816407): 51 have a Hebrew label written בן X; 50 read no given name.
  • JRC-Names, Hebrew spellings: all 6 that open with בן are the given name (בן אפלק).
  • The Knesset's person table (OData KNS_Person, 1,236 people, Hebrew given and family names in separate fields): no given name is בן; 10 family names begin with בן (בן גביר, בן דהן).
  • Lexicon.default().add("בן", kind="given") fixes all 56 Wikidata and JRC names given first and moves nothing else in the Knesset table given first, spoken or after a comma (כספית, בן gives given 'בן', family 'כספית').

The cost is under a family-first order. With a given reading the word is a particle that may be a given name, which P1 no longer folds, so each of the 8 Knesset בן X surnames written family first breaks:

Input, name_order=FAMILY_FIRST given middle family
בן גביר איתמר, today איתמר '' בן גביר
בן גביר איתמר, with the given reading גביר איתמר בן

In Latin script P11 (a lower-case leading particle under a family-first order) tells the two apart by case; Hebrew has no case, so nothing in the text does. The comma form (בן גביר, איתמר) reads right either way.

Proposal

Give בן a given reading, its counts beside it, and drop may_be_given = false. A leading בן is then read by position, as Van Gogh is, recording PARTICLE_OR_GIVEN. בת likely follows (Wikidata holds 6 Israelis named בת-שבע, written with a hyphen; spaced, בת שבע כהן reads as above).

Questions

  • Is the family-first cost acceptable? Israeli lists that write the family first mostly use a comma, which keeps the reading, but a list without one loses every בן X surname.
  • Does בת follow בן? It is rarer as a given name alone; the spaced compound בת שבע is the common case, and that is a two-word given name either way.

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