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Should a standalone ال before a name read as the clan prefix آل? (حسن علي ال يحيى gives family 'يحيى') #1150
parse("حسن علي محمد ال يحيى") gives middle 'علي محمد ال', family 'يحيى'. parse("حسن آل يحيى") reads family 'آل يحيى', because ar.toml lists آل ("family of", as in Al Saud) as a clan particle. ال is the same word written without the madda mark, but it is excluded as the article (#269: "normally attached to the word it determines, and too ambiguous standing alone").
Measured 2026-11-07, every standalone ال in JRC-Names (28 spellings; standalone آل appears in 180):
17 are the clan prefix: ال مكتوم, ال خليفة, ال ثاني, ال سعود, ال الشيخ, ال الصباح
9 are cut off at the end of the news text (X بن Y ال)
2 are the English given name Al (ال باتشينو, ال گور)
0 are the article split from its word
An Iraqi polytechnic's staff list (https://iku.atu.edu.iq/?page_id=160) has 2 of 125 names with it (… ال علي, … ال يحيى). Its heading also says what each name holds, "الأسم الرباعي واللقب": four given names and then a family name. So ال X is the family name there.
Questions:
Should ال become the hamza-less spelling of آل (same_as), like ابو beside أبو?
At the start of a name it is either the given name Al or the clan prefix. آل is never-given, so the P1 fold would read ال باتشينو as family 'ال باتشينو'. Should ال get a given reading, making it an ambiguous particle, or is that cost accepted?
Five more standalone ال in the King Saud University directory sample (2026-11-07, 401 names in Arabic script), all of them the clan prefix: ال الشيخ, ال ابراهيم, ال مسفر, ال حمود, ال مهديه. سارة علي ال ناصر gives middle 'علي ال', family 'ناصر'. None is the article.
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derek73 commentedon Nov 8, 2026
Five more standalone
الin the King Saud University directory sample (2026-11-07, 401 names in Arabic script), all of them the clan prefix:ال الشيخ,ال ابراهيم,ال مسفر,ال حمود,ال مهديه.سارة علي ال ناصرgives middle 'علي ال', family 'ناصر'. None is the article.ben/bin/בןa particle, a patronymic marker, or a given name? (Karim Ben Salah,בן כספית,Youssef Ait Taleb) #1257